Just came back after seeing images of the Police beating and manhandling students protesting against Reservation at the India Gate. Do these students deserve to be treated like this, beaten by lathis just because they have dared to raise a voice against an issue? These people are not criminals, they are forced to protest because noone is paying attention to what they have to say. Noone is ready to raise the issue on their behalf. We call ourselves a secular, democratic state.. what kind of democracy is this where voice of the majority is not heard at all?? Don't we also form a vote bank for these politicions? Do our votes, our futures count for nothing?
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Read a news report about kids running over a security gaurd while racing on the Gurgaon road. And then when they were trying to run off, some gaurds tried to catch them and in an attempt to escape they beat them up and even hit the injured gaurd. When the residents of the area caught them they tried to tell them of by saying they were kids of influential people and would get away in any case. Are these kids the future of our nation? Are these the kind of values parents teach their kids these days?
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I've been having major system problems, have had to reinstall my operating system and just got the bare minimum running right now.. So i mite just disappear again fr sometime..
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Read a news report about kids running over a security gaurd while racing on the Gurgaon road. And then when they were trying to run off, some gaurds tried to catch them and in an attempt to escape they beat them up and even hit the injured gaurd. When the residents of the area caught them they tried to tell them of by saying they were kids of influential people and would get away in any case. Are these kids the future of our nation? Are these the kind of values parents teach their kids these days?
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I've been having major system problems, have had to reinstall my operating system and just got the bare minimum running right now.. So i mite just disappear again fr sometime..
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i am also having major problems with the system......the way the government is run......how i wish if i cud be dictator just for 6 months ..tht wud be enuf to clean n set the system rt.......tcc
the good, hardworking, studious kids gets beaten and the bad influential once always get away. thats too common now
Vote Bank : Group of people who vote for a party regardless of the person contesting of the policies.
Thankfully, we donot form a vote bank
Doesnt it seem like a Dejavu people getting beatn up for raising their voices?
And abt the kids who said they belong to influential families , Jus wanna slap each one of them.
plz on disappear for too long :)
Your PC too is revolting against you...:)
Well this is what happens when the state fails in its role of manager of law and order - when justice is delayed/denied...
maybe you can do something abt that...:)
yesh.. thats the sorry state of affairs. if the lorry drivers/ owners strike, the govt would sit and negotiate. if the students go on strike, the govt would not even bother. instead they will get treated with lathis. that is how much respect the govt and that generation of rougues have for the future of the country.
Bhaskar
Sorry state of affairs, *sigh*... The reservation is absolutely stupid, and the kids behaved like brutes...
Don't be gone too long... :)
Well it doesn't take smart analysts to see the point behind this reservation fiasco...its the vote bank that they're after. It is amazing to know that they are are voted into power.Pathetic. What can we do? The entire system is too corrupt to be changed :-(
Forget values and stuff like that. Its the world of wealth and arrogance lol. You got money, u got rich dads, doesn't matter what kind of a useless person you are: you are respected and paid importance lol. There are plenty of examples out there!!!
Haha..I've had operating system problems in the past too lol..makes life hell!!
Enjoy your weekend!!
No they dont deserve to be treated like this but in a country full of such smug politicians its tough to move against the tide.
These kids are no way the future of india but power plays its part in each n every segment of life
dont disappear get ur system tweaked or smthing
IIM fees are increased....
Med students are fighting against reservations...
wht does this indicate?
Time to leave the country full of stupid politicians making equally stooopid laws...
Im watching news right now...and am feeling sad about those young docs :(
Ok..
I give you another point of view on the same incident..
College students are beaten black and blue for the reason that the police is A frustrated Lot and A frightened Lot too.
Have been going to practice Baddie at a polics stadium since the many months.. Have made friends with a Inspector..
He told me he had once faced a mob. And he was beaten black and blue then. He is afraid ever since from a mob and hits out on them on seeing any slightest sign of danger to his life!!!
The mob and the police size each other I feel and whosover finds themselves to be the stronger lot , gives the other a ride.
Introspecting on the same I felt that the policemen know when to muscle their frustrations out. And we citizens too muscle out the same when given an opportunity.
Beating students on a protest just goes to show how the DandaRaj tries to devour helpless students..
Yes, soul thwarting questions these.
"Don't we also form a vote bank for these politicions? Do our votes, our futures count for nothing?"
Watching news, I was jsut thinking the same ...Do we have to really vote for these unworthy politicians ???
Well parents are very improtant in inculcating habits in their children! Gud one or bad one....dont blame the kids if the fault is in their parents..for they learn wat they see around!
The political system in countries like India and Sri Lanka, always sucked...only cos the heads r stupid and selfish...
Keshi.
:-(
Its the sad reality in India today Neha!
Even the Medical students who have been going on dharnas had been beaten up by the police for no reason!
Unfortunately there is no one stopping all this!-No on cares in the so called "political system!"
Incidents like this actually make u wonder where the world is going to right?
And the answers that looms over your head isnt a nice one! Sigh!
Im praying!
You Tell me N,
you among the few who has seen the law of the country ( in fact you are majoring in it)..
tell me...how pliable it is?
Do you ..you being a (to be ) Lawyer..
beiliev in LAW and order.. or LAW in this country..
well i can even ask WORLD>
//Do these students deserve to be treated like this
//These people are not criminals,
Yes they were beaten because they were educated and peaceful and not criminals.If they would have been criminals, police would have thought twice before attcking them with lathis.
My friend who was also protesting(in mumbai) told me that Police hawaldars enjoyed beating the students and hurled series of bad words.Even females were not spared.
// Don't we also form a vote bank for these politicions?
No we dont form the vote bank of polticians.Vote bank are the numerous uneducated people living in rural part of country who dont know anything about the issues.They only know that some one did something for them read politicians).They dont understand implications of these issues.
We are not majority, to have the country functioning well, we have to make literate people as majority, by educating and awakening the illiterate.
Then we will be able to kick these politicians out of parliament.
Please read my post on same issue on my blog.
As for the accident issue...
Today I read in newspaper that father of the boy ferused to pay for medical expenses of security gaurd as he his financial position was not good.He cannot pay for that but he can give optra to his son for personal use.
Mother of another kid told that this is not the way to deal with children belonging to good and educated families(on children being made to spent night in police lock up).
Great Nation,Great People.
Hellos.. Sometimes, I simply prefer to be unopinionated..
I wish i had the answers :(
Btw...look at this link:
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http://www.ibnlive.com/slideshow/view_slide_show.php?num=0&id=15
lol @ the grown up venting it out on the youngsters in one scene and the youngsters venting it out in the other.
Both unjustifiable. Pathetic. Its baffling that such people exist. And sometimes, seem to exist more happily than the better ones, sometimes. Perplexing.
the 1st category of ppl getting beaten up is the plight of common man these days.. who cast their votes for want of security, peace, job opportunities n above all a satisfaction of being called a citizen.
Thts wht exactly we r not getting n these fugger politicians get away with all they do. Police cant be completely blamed coz sure there r some strings frm above making them mere dancing puppets.
But whtevr is going on is sick..
The bade-baap-ki-bigdi-aulat really is becoming a menace... a kid frm an influential family can whooshh on pedestrians in a sleek BMW n can lead his rest of life with no guilt n no cases against him/her
I really really wish to kill one of these guys..
lawyer sahiba karenge na madad chuddane mein...lol
The media seems to be biased toward the misplaced cause of the striking students and doctors . As was investigated , the morchas were organised by 'EVENT MANAGERS' who were arrested... so much for genuinity !!!!
Fact of the matter is , almost all of the striking students are from the upper castes , who do not realize that reservations are the need of the day in our country , where for centuries , the opressed class has been denied the basic amenities of social welfare and dignity by the upper castes. Being a part of the oppressed class does not mean that one lacks the intellectual skills required for a particular profession. The Difference in marks obtained between the opressed class students and the general class students is very less . Moreover , the general class always have access to coaching classes which require money which the oppressed class is deprived of. At each and every stage of school , college or professional life , the students from the oppressed class are subject to unwarrented ridicule. Social untouchability still exists in the society. The creamy layer from the oppressed class are not so creamy as its made out to be by the protesting students and news channels. Students who join engineering and medical colleges on management quota even after scoring lesser marks than oppressed students do not come under the hammer of 'undeserving candidature ' as they have lots of money , but poor opressed students are insulted. Doctors meant to save lives are jeopardising the life of people (poor ones ) by going on strike. I hope the news channels shed some light on the other side of the equation and bring to light the plight of the oppressed classes , how they are subjected to ridicule by professors and upper caste students of IIT , IIMs and other institutes . The basic reason why discrimination exists in these institutions is because the upper castes have safety in numbers in these institutions while the oppressed castes are a minority in these institutions even though they are a big majority in the nation .
On one hand people criticize govt for the state of the nation and when some good policies are made to uplift the majority masses , they oppose such moves.
Reservations are required to bridge the gap in numbers so that social equality prevails in time... and no, I am not writing this as a quota candidate. i belong to the general category... which is not so general after all...
Well its as scary and as it is depressing to read facts like this!
Its sick how some people can get away with just abt anything in their lives while others suffer for no reason!...and we call this democracy!
@Sanjeev,
First of all I don’t believe that you are from general category,from the tone of your comment.Because each and every general category has been hurt one or more time when he sees that he cannot pursue his dream of having good education even after having good marks.
//the morchas were organised by 'EVENT MANAGERS' who were arrested..
Right.What about the reservation policies being brought about by politicians? Is that not even more organized by them?In order to fight this injustice of Vote bank policies we need to bring all the students together who are divided all over India. Thanks to event managers that we are united now. We want to protest…..therefore we organize ourselves whats wrong in that?Till all these years students and open category students were exploited because we were divided….but not now.
//the opressed class has been denied the basic amenities of social welfare and dignity by the upper castes
I agree a nig mistake and injustice was done by our society. But what is happening today in our country is that in order to make up for one mistake we commit another mistake. If taking eye for eye becomes rule in the world then whole world will become blind one day. This is not the way of doing justice. Our previous generation exploited them…so you want to take revenge by exploiting us now? Is that what you mean?
//General class always have access to coaching classes
Dear every reserved category people have access to it. In cities there are very few people who are economically weak who don’t take classes. Also, economically backward people are most of the time from general category. For IITs and Medical college entrance, almost 100% student study through coaching classes. When they are able to pay hefty fees then how are they economically backward. Also my friend their fees are waved in engineering college and in Medical College they get huge subsidy. It’s the open category students who are in more problem financially.
And no one ridicules reserved category students. I have been student myself. In my whole engineering college and school lofe I have never seen any student being ridicules for being from lower caste. Infact the only time when we come to know about caste is when we stand in line for admission. Where a small line is separated consisting of reserved category students taking admission for 50% of seats. And in same place is a line 20 to 25 times longer than this seeking admission for same number of seats. Tell me is this justice?
You have told that most of the people from OBC are economically backward. In cities that is not true. Also if that is your concern then why not give reservation on basis of economic background that too irrespective of Caste. Let people from general category also take benefit from it.
There has been reservation since independence that is since more than 58 years. Isnt that enough now? What do you think Arjun Singh is a messiah of reserved category students and thinks for their benefit? No
Arjun Singh and Congress have eye on 2008 assembly elections in UP and MP which have huge number of OBC which are with BJP. They want to lure them.
Whatever is happening is just vote bank politics and nothing else.
yeah, I know, kids these days don't seem to have lost all innocence...
i am a neutral guy on mandal commission as well as the new bill arjun sign trying to make it a law.
But students doeesnt deserve that treatment.
Next Time make Sure - You DO vote!
Until the people living in homes and driving Cars come out on election day and go to Vote - their children or they themselves will face this in one form or another.
How many bloggers have actually gone and cast their vote.
got a first hand experince of OBC sentiments when i took part in the CNN IBN Debate on reservation. For details see my blog
A marvellous casteist quote Mr Abhishek Upadhyay !! dude, ur first line which says...
" First of all I don’t believe that you are from general category,from the tone of your comment. "
Can anyone who does not believe in caste system defend that statement ? maybe a careless blunder u comitted under years of upper caste value influence harboured with hatred towards the oppressed ?? or just a mere coincidence ? According to you , anyone who counter argues your point of view has to be from a lower caste .
U seem to be kind of person who would get wholly excited when u see an ad in the matrimonials that say ".. Upper caste girl seeking alliance only from upper caste boys..."
So caste discrimination do not exist huh ?
I am ready for an argument on that statement dude !!! I am from the lower caste . U got any problem with that dude ???
Now that i've admitted that i am from the lower caste , my blood may suddenly seem impure..
The mere mention of being from a lower caste may have put a frown of disgust on ur faces ... well heres the catch... i never used reservations . Does that add some dignity ?? no... still impure .. lower caste u know ..
We are completely incapable of speaking and writing english .. ain't capable of becoming doctors or engineers or MBAs as we scored 2 marks less than the others with no access to good resources or study materials , never mind the fact that we have to clear the same exams in the degree courses with the same marks as others.. Our brain cell compositions are different than others , our blood is of a different group altogether ...
We dont even know how to communicate in English. This letter has been converted to english by aliens . We are made out to be of ..u know...INFERIOR QUALITY ... Right Mr Abhishek ?
Well you forgot that we all (u , I and everybody) are afterall the same ape desended lifeforms... uppercastes used reservations in education for centuries , that too full 100 % reservation. social inequality in the society remains due to the social imbalance in the educated crust . Numbers have to be equalised on either sides.
Voices have to be present for the opressed class too . I am not afraid and dont care if
people like you think we r a diferrent species altogether... thats ur backward thinking.
Reservations have great practical value. Atleast people like Mr Abhishek will in time stop saying ' you dont agree with my view ,so you are from a lower caste ! '.
As for the lathi charge issue ," We dont deserve such treatment" the protesters say . "We are dignified doctors and students who are out to shut down hospitals and deny treatment to poor patients ,we block roads and create traffic jams and create one helluva inconvenience for the general public."
What if you were one of the passengers stranded for hours on the roads and if someone had to be taken to the hospital urgently?
Place urself in the position of hapless patients and commuters. spend a few minutes of consideration to this relativity and you will abandon that theory of 'unwarrented lathicharge' for an exactly opposite one.
On a note , older people from the lower castes may have had a teriffic sense of deja-vu
watching that lathi charge ... in their hey days , they were subjected to the same thing
... by the upper caste... for drinking water from a pond meant for the uppers ..or for entering a school or some other casteist reason... and this has been going on for centuries .
As regards the vote-bank issue , Government policies everywhere in the world are based on vote banks. If in some cases like reservations , it helps in bringing about social equality , why the heck oppose it ??
It is impossible to ignore caste and the violence that casteism has inflicted on person and dignity of hundreds of millions of people in India for centuries .
Because of reservations that gap has been bridged a little, but the stigma attached still lingers on .
There is still a long way to go until people like Mr Abhishek are made to realise that differences in opinions are not due to differences in caste ! Till then , hail to reservations.
Justice may be delayed , but it should not be denied.
I think this issue is not about caste, its about being a counry which respects Merit!!
i oppose any kind of reservation/favorism in any educational institution, especially Medical and engineering, becoz any compromise made here can be counted in terms of lives we may lose..
Lets b a country of merit...
Bt i fear gov will eventually get this bill passed....it wud indeed be a blac day for India...
where r u hiding Neha....hope ur fine..tcc
Mr Sanjeev,
I am not from upper caste as you say.Hell....I dont know which caste I belong to.And I am not against anointing a particular community or caste as lower and other caste as upper.
I AM AGAINST ANY KIND OF CASTE DISTINCTION
Did you get my point?I have been staying in hostel who was SC.I dont care about that.I have my friends who are from so called lower caste. I never knew they belong to lower caste.Its the day of admission when they pay fees 50% less than us and get seats of their choice even if they have low percentage....we come to know this guy is from reserved class.Otherwise he is same like me.
And all that genes,no english blah blah you have spoken about is case for all rural people not only reserved caste.And for this condition of SC/ST I blame them only.If a person says to another that he is a schedule caste,then its a crime.If a person says he is from scheduled caste even thats crime.Why the hell they are not interested to com in main stream and forget all kinds of barriers.Ok may be they have no option due to attrocities and humilitation they have face in rural areas.But why in cities you need to have reservation?I have not seen any person being kicked out of restraunt for being from reserved category.
Also its people like you and politicians who always remind people from upper caste and lower caste that they are diffrent and create barriers in society.All the nonsense you have mentioned is a proof that you want to remind people from backward classes that they are not from mainstream.
Read my comment again.Now where I have mentioned that caste is a good thing.Hell with the caste.
We want 1 India.
//reservations help in bringing social equlaity.
This is what you have said.Friend if that was true then there would have been a good equality considering that reservations prevail since more than 55 years.And even if this is for coming 50 years it will be of no help.
Target poor people.Target illiteracy.Caste structure will disappear within coule of years.Reservation does not serve any purpose.I have seen people educating children from lower communities and giving them free study material.It is people like this who are fighting social inequality.
But politicians and people like you are destroying all their efforts by going to these people and reminding them that they are diffrent.You guys have snatched pen and books from them and used them in political rallies and other religion based gimmicks.
Baba Saheb Ambedkar has told that only education can uplift downtrodden not necessarily that education has to come from rservations.First teach students at primary level.That is more important.
"As for the lathi charge issue ," We dont deserve such treatment" the protesters say . "We are dignified doctors and students who are out to shut down hospitals and deny treatment to poor patients ,we block roads and create traffic jams and create one helluva inconvenience for the general public."
What if you were one of the passengers stranded for hours on the roads and if someone had to be taken to the hospital urgently?
Place urself in the position of hapless patients and commuters. spend a few minutes of consideration to this relativity and you will abandon that theory of 'unwarrented lathicharge' for an exactly opposite one.
On a note , older people from the lower castes may have had a teriffic sense of deja-vu
watching that lathi charge ... in their hey days , they were subjected to the same thing
... by the upper caste... for drinking water from a pond meant for the uppers ..or for entering a school or some other casteist reason... and this has been going on for centuries . "
What by jove might this reasoning mean? The first paragraph considers the short term inconveniences caused during the period of the struggle, without paying any consideration to the long term results of the struggle. But of course, since you are so obsessively devoted to the reservation system, you had no reason to.
The second paragraph. Ah. Is it just me or why does the second paragraph there seem to suggest a sense of blood thirsty vengeance? Older people must have experienced a deja vu? More than deja vu, it seemed to convey the clandestine pleasure that they might have derived out of it. Bygones are bygones. No Brahmin is sitting high and pretty. No BC boy is lying at the Brahmin's feet downtrodden. Humans. Humans. Humans. Why segregate them? Why propose more rules to strengthen the segregation? Dismal.
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